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HomeMy WebLinkAbout09-21 CITY OF LAKEVILLE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINLJ'T"ES SEPI'EC~SER 21, 1988 • The meeting was called to offer at 7:00 PM by Chairman Larson. Members present were Larson, Lulf, Lovelace, Illa, Grenz, McDonald and Messinger. Also present were Park Director Steve Michaud and recording secretary Judi Ringeisen. 88.82 Motion was made by Illa, seconded by Lulf to approve the Parks and. Recreation Advisory Committee minutes of September 7, 1988. .McDonald stated the names of the Valley Park residents should be caorrected to read Wensel Ruhmann (not Vensel) and Gene Hokanson (not Hokins). McDonald also stated that on page 2, first paragraph, her interpretation of the wording is that she did not see a need for the children to cross County Road 46 - the intended meaning was that-she feels a light is needed. Messinger corrected page 2, last paragraph - Grenz asked about the .swim. raft, not Messinger. Motion passed. 'Minutes were approved as amended. 88.83 Motion was made by Grenz, seconded by Illa to approve the minutes of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee Special Meeting of September 15, 1988. Messinger read a prepared statement criticizing the way the minutes were worded and saying because of omissions the minutes gave council an unfair view of what was .said at the Park and Rec. meeting. McDonald thought there were statements which were omitted from the minutes. which expounded on points of debate. Staff did not find the minutes slanted and felt they • had a minimal effect on the council's decision not to purchase the property in question at this time. Illa :felt Messinger's letter of 9/15/88 which had been attached to the minutes of that same date contained unfounded accusations of predetermined judgemexits and closed. mindedness. Larry Lulf, who was not at the meeting, stated that when he received the minutes he felt well informed on both sides of the issue and that all parties got the opportunity to state their opinions. .Larry stated he did not feel the minutes were slanted in either direction. Grenz felt the minutes were reflective of the opinions stated. McDonald thought the minutes were too condensed and in volatile situations the minutes should be tape recorded in on~er not to leave out any important statements. It was suggested that the conanittee have input to the minutes before they are given to council in these types of situations. Staff suggested written statements be prepared in advance for the staff to alleviate problems. The secretary stated that no bias was intended and felt the main opinions of the speakers were reflected in the minutes without being redundant. Aye: Larson, Illa, Grenz, Lovelace, Lulf Nay: Messinger, McDonald Staff stated he had discussed the purchase price and the moratorium on R-7 zoning with the Realtor of the Goff property. It is conceivable .that the zoning will be changed, which will lower the price of_the property. Also the park dedication requirements will always be in force and it is still possible to receive a portion of land at the time the property is developed. • Parks .and Recreation Advisory Committee minutes September 21, 1988 Page -2- Coirnnittee received a re rt from Northwest .Associated Consultants concerning the trail easements from Bluebill Bay Estates. Staff will make sure the engineers receive a copy of the report. The approach to the trail crossing will be very important. The placement of the trail between the berm and the road would make for better visibility. Committee felt a crossing with a light would be ideal for this. situation. Several school crossing .zones are present in surrounding conmtunities at school crossings on county roads; hopefully the county would also be .cooperative in this situation. Staff reported on the progress of the trail along 160th Street from Dodd to Fai.rgreen Avenue. For economical purposes staff would like the trail to be graded and benchcut while the equipment from Dakota County is in the area improving the road. McDonald thought it would become an attractive nuisance if it were installed before a trail destination exists.. Messinger .asked if the agreement with Dakota County was. in writing, to prevent future discord on what was agreed upon. Staff is working to get all commitments in writing. The permit for the Soo Line. Railroad trail crossing has been received; the contract needs to be signed and sent back with a check from the City. Staff. reported on the trail segment through The Cove and Great Oak Shores. The Cove is not ready to begin development, however Great Oak Shores will • go ahead with their project. Therefore, the trails will not be able to be built as part of both projects and will not be as economical. Construction of the trail would. then take place next year when The Cove develops. Gary Hertzberg, owner. of the piece of .property .adjoining Ritter Farm Park where the snowmobile trail and the road to the archery range have been located for many years, has been in contact with staff. He is willing to sell the property to the City at his original purchase price, approximately .$7,000 per acre, and has recent survey doc-imlentaton. Lulf suggested the land could be acquired as part of the DNR snowmobile. trail grant. Messinger asked if there was any more property available in the area she.. would like. to have acquired the property to be added to Ritter Park. Staff stated he had been informed that there is a group of citizens in the Orchard Lake area who are interested in getting some trails in their neighborhoods, especially going to the elementary school. Larson suggested the. trails could be .extended from the I-35 viaduct through the Wren property and behind the commercial area near Lse Lake. Staff will add this segment to the trail plan. A discussion of .development projects was held. Staff report~i 950 completion of the park dedication projects. Rolling Oaks drainage pipe is being installed which. will cause the. flooded areas to recede, at which time the park will be seeded.. Staff is working on the design of the septic system at North Park. It was • decided that for economical purposes the system would be designed by a private contractor, who had mst on site with staff for percolation tests Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee minutes September 21, 1988 Page.-3- • and an estimation of the amount of drain the and the stem size and. sy capacity which will be needed. The tennis court project at Oak Shores is very near completion. The basketball hoops and fencing are in the process of being finished,. McDonald asked about the final cyst. Staff stated with the basketball hoops which were added, the final cost was about $40,000. The trails are in the process of being swept. Grenz feels the trail around Valley Lake will soon be in need of seal coating to keep it smooth enough for roller skaters. Antlers Park reseeding is to be done soon. If the weather and the ground stay warm enough to germinate the seed, it could be a good growth. If not, it will stay dormant and sprout in the spring. McDonald stated it takes three weeks to germinate bluegrass and it might be better to wait until spring. The park shelters are being constructed by the park maintenance department. Staff had contacted the shelter manufacturer who is working on a permanent bracing prototype, which the manufacturer will absorb the cost of. When the shelter projects are complete the maintenance department will begin a fall tree planting program. • Staff has interviewed a management resources student to help develop the maintenance standards policies manual and who may also do some rangering when needed. The original proposals on the Park and Open Space System Plan update have.: been .reinspected. Staff. will be in contact with Barry Warner from Barton As~xunann to find away to lower the price. The main scope of the project is to analyze .the City's park facility needs and identify proper areas for future parks. Messinger would like the interest survey portion. of the doc~nnent to be done fairly soon. Item ntmtber six was an ordinance authorizing the Park Director to authorize park rangers to initiate a tow of illegally parked cars, in particular to be enforced at Casperson Park. 88.84 Motion was made by Illa, seconded by Lulf, to reccmanend to city council that the ordinance amending Title 7, Chapter 1 of the City Code concerning parking within City parks, be approved as written. Ayes: Larson, Grenz, Illa, Messinger, McDonald, Lovelace, Lulf Staff informed the commmittee that the specs for the North Park and Foxborough Park shelter buildings had been put up for bid and there had been a good response from contractors. .Samples of materials were shown to the committee members. The architect conceives the building in natural earth tones in the brick and rough cedar. A vandal resistant hard plastic material is proposed for the interiors of the restrooms, along with a Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee minutes September 21, 1988 Page -4- terp shat roof stainless steel mirror Staff had also discussed the kitchen with the health inspector and how the operations in that area affect what needs to be installed. The plumbing and electrical will be installed. at a level where,. if it is necessary to enlan~e the facility, it would still meet the standards. .Larson questioned the aesthetics of a metal roof with the natural siding; other ccarnnittee members coirnnented on the combination. It is planned that Foxborough's building will be operational by mid December for skating season. Larson suggested it is important to apply for gas service at this time. McDonald asked about the final cost of the projects. The architect's estimate was $150,000, or $170,000 with the alternates -the metal roof. McDonald asked if bids would be honored if the time line was changed and commented that the usage of the parks is low and the funds should be used 'for other projects. Messinger compared the park to Cedar Park in Apple Valley where satellites are used. Staff feels the time line is appropriate - the North Park shelter will be serving a major athletic complex by next summer and the Foxborough building will serve a regional park facility with scheduled recreational activities and will take a lot of pressure off of Antlers for family picnics and other events. Also, this is a good time economically to take bids. Staff and corrnnittee members are concerned about possible llicit,activity going on at Ritter Farm Park since school has started and the rangers are • off duty. It was suggested that the Police Reserves patrol in the parks, but staff stated they are already overbooked and that is not their intended function. It is hoped to get another ranger on duty soon. Staff reviewed the council actions of September 19, 1988. Besides those items. already .discussed, the council also approved the concept plans for the new City Hall. Grenz asked about pedestrian access to the new building and staff stated that. has been discussed and will be part of the. final plan. Illa asked about the site for the fifth elementary school and how trails would be incorporated into the plan. Messinger asked how the City was involved in the condemnation of the property for the location. Staff discussed some new developments and additional phases of existing. developments which are coming in and will be generating more park dedication funds in the near future. There is a group. of citizens and business people who are interested in getting an ice arena. project going again, with possibly a site at North Park. Staff had `met with one of the group representatives and discussed location and aesthetics of the building. Ritter Farm Park development plans will be put on the. agenda and discussed in length at the next meeting. Staff also listed some items that will be budgeted for in 1989 and .asked the coimnittee to think about their • Parks and Recreation Advisory Con~nittee minutes September 21, 1988 Page -5- • riorities p and be prepared to discuss the list at the next meeting.. Two spring animals still need to be ordered for the playground equipment at Dakota Heights and Rolling Oaks. Messinger will check her notes from the discussions of the equipment and Iet the park secretary know what was supposed to be ordered. Messinger referred to coirnnents made at the council meeting concerning Parkview Park and its conduciveness to soccer. Staff stated what is needed is a top dresser for the park dept., which he has budgeted. Larson .asked if that is what the neighbors want. Messinger stated it is not a legitimate park, .only a vacant lot. Staff asked her to find out what the neighbors want for facilities in the area. Larson pointed out there are also other areas of the City where the park land is rat developed. It was .also discussed that current funds would 'better be spent on development rather than acquisition. Staff had discussed the water level of Lake Marion with Mike Mueller of the DNR, who thought the point the lake is at now is about average. Anew gage has been installed for reading of the levels. The area in front of the boat launch needs to be dredged again to repair damage people have done by power loading their boats onto their trailers,.making a ridge which is impossible to surmount. • Messinger asked about the actual ownership. of the land being used as an access to Valley Lake Parka Staff is checking on the actual property ownership but stated an access would always be available to the park. 88.85 Since there was no .further business, it was moved by Larson, seconded by McDonald, to adjourn the meeting. 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